… and the biggest Chump Is Barack Obama. But he is surrounded by them. And they are screwing us all.
And I have some news for you, you “centrist” idiots. We aren’t supporting you centrist move, anymore. Don’t you get it? We are sick of it. We want REAL change. We don’t want to kowtow to conservative ideologies when it has been those very ideologies that have sunk us. Do you thing we are all as stupid and gullible as you are?
I’m getting sick and tired of the sad “centrist” theory of Mr Obama, too. Besides the fact I think it is a hoax to fool the American Sheoples into falling for the “hope” of “change”, what we need is for him to truly push progressive moves. We have had way too long of conservative rule and it has virtually sunk our beautiful ship of State. This includes Clinton, the “centrist” president who was truly a republican Lite in the mold of HW.
We haven’t had a progressive individual running this country in a very long time. Much less liberal.

Well, let me tell you about this proud old progressive redneck “Liberal”. I am a liberal and I am proud of the fact. I am proud that my liberal views have been correct and the conservative views (especially neo-conservatism) has been plainly put to its sad defeat, soundly. They are just wrong and bogus. I believe in helping people, especially Americans with American Tax dollars. I do NOT support unending wars and lies to get us there. I would venture to say that most of this country agrees with me. But a “Centrist” won’t. A Centrist will fall all over themselves to try and please the most aggressive assholes on the “other side” who are only trying to protect their party… not me.
Centrism is a political game… a manuever to try and win over votes from an opposing political party, but necessarily a competing political ideology. In other words, centrists can be centrists just to be different. It is not for the best interest of the country, but for the show.
And don’t give me any conservative lip. You have been wrong and you sidled up with a movement that destroyed the real conservatives and their ideology. What you have become, Mr Conservative, is a joke that isn’t funny. Circling your wagons to defend against the most stupid rationale in every aspect of government and world aggression. Doing anything to stop progressive policies from taking place. Trying, desperately, to prove that your failed and ignorant ideology is still meaningful and pertinent.
It isn’t. Get over it and move on to the soup lines, you worthless pieces of shit.
The fact is that today’s “conservatives” are blind, lemming-like, fools. Following their leaders over the cliff and screaming all the way down. If you can’t see that your objects of wonder and worship are evil idiots, it is too late for you, as well. Please jump the cliff, so we won’t have to deal with your stupidity, anymore, either.
I laugh at your folly and spit on your demise.
Good riddance and I hope that the Newts, Bushes, Cheney’s, et al, drop dead as soon as hunamnly possible and that those who step into their places have some semblance of a thought process going on (in this, I know not to hold my breath). Until then, allow one of the leading economists, a Nobel Proze winner, at that, explain how Centrism will cost us… and cost us big.
I keep telling you a Depression of immense proportions is heading this way. By Obama’s centrism (and the centristic ideology of the many congressional leaders) he will help usher it in even quicker. Read Paul Krugman’s letter (originally at The NY Times and reposted at Alternet).
Progressives and Liberals: Grow some balls, dammit. You are embarrassing me, a real progressive and liberal.
By Paul Krugman, The New York Times
What do you call someone who eliminates hundreds of thousands of American jobs, deprives millions of adequate health care and nutrition, undermines schools, but offers a $15,000 bonus to affluent people who flip their houses?
A proud centrist. For that is what the senators who ended up calling the tune on the stimulus bill just accomplished.
Even if the original Obama plan — around $800 billion in stimulus, with a substantial fraction of that total given over to ineffective tax cuts — had been enacted, it wouldn’t have been enough to fill the looming hole in the U.S. economy, which the Congressional Budget Office estimates will amount to $2.9 trillion over the next three years.
Yet the centrists did their best to make the plan weaker and worse.
One of the best features of the original plan was aid to cash-strapped state governments, which would have provided a quick boost to the economy while preserving essential services. But the centrists insisted on a $40 billion cut in that spending.
The original plan also included badly needed spending on school construction; $16 billion of that spending was cut. It included aid to the unemployed, especially help in maintaining health care — cut. Food stamps — cut. All in all, more than $80 billion was cut from the plan, with the great bulk of those cuts falling on precisely the measures that would do the most to reduce the depth and pain of this slump.
On the other hand, the centrists were apparently just fine with one of the worst provisions in the Senate bill, a tax credit for home buyers. Dean Baker of the Center for Economic Policy Research calls this the “flip your house to your brother” provision: it will cost a lot of money while doing nothing to help the economy.
All in all, the centrists’ insistence on comforting the comfortable while afflicting the afflicted will, if reflected in the final bill, lead to substantially lower employment and substantially more suffering.
But how did this happen? I blame President Obama’s belief that he can transcend the partisan divide — a belief that warped his economic strategy.
After all, many people expected Mr. Obama to come out with a really strong stimulus plan, reflecting both the economy’s dire straits and his own electoral mandate.
Instead, however, he offered a plan that was clearly both too small and too heavily reliant on tax cuts. Why? Because he wanted the plan to have broad bipartisan support, and believed that it would. Not long ago administration strategists were talking about getting 80 or more votes in the Senate.
Mr. Obama’s postpartisan yearnings may also explain why he didn’t do something crucially important: speak forcefully about how government spending can help support the economy. Instead, he let conservatives define the debate, waiting until late last week before finally saying what needed to be said — that increasing spending is the whole point of the plan.
And Mr. Obama got nothing in return for his bipartisan outreach. Not one Republican voted for the House version of the stimulus plan, which was, by the way, better focused than the original administration proposal.
In the Senate, Republicans inveighed against “pork” — although the wasteful spending they claimed to have identified (much of it was fully justified) was a trivial share of the bill’s total. And they decried the bill’s cost — even as 36 out of 41 Republican senators voted to replace the Obama plan with $3 trillion, that’s right, $3 trillion in tax cuts over 10 years.
So Mr. Obama was reduced to bargaining for the votes of those centrists. And the centrists, predictably, extracted a pound of flesh — not, as far as anyone can tell, based on any coherent economic argument, but simply to demonstrate their centrist mojo. They probably would have demanded that $100 billion or so be cut from anything Mr. Obama proposed; by coming in with such a low initial bid, the president guaranteed that the final deal would be much too small.
Such are the perils of negotiating with yourself.
Now, House and Senate negotiators have to reconcile their versions of the stimulus, and it’s possible that the final bill will undo the centrists’ worst. And Mr. Obama may be able to come back for a second round. But this was his best chance to get decisive action, and it fell short.
So has Mr. Obama learned from this experience? Early indications aren’t good.
For rather than acknowledge the failure of his political strategy and the damage to his economic strategy, the president tried to put a postpartisan happy face on the whole thing. “Democrats and Republicans came together in the Senate and responded appropriately to the urgency this moment demands,” he declared on Saturday, and “the scale and scope of this plan is right.”
No, they didn’t, and no, it isn’t.
© 2008 The New York Times
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