I shared with Kelso this morning my pains and sorrow over losing a friend because of the healthcare issue. It amazes me how incredibly ignorant people can be and will fight tooth and nail over an ideology with bogus detail and no recognizable thought pattern. It truly is as if you are regurgitating talking points, but those from a party you disagree with.
If I didn’t see how insightful you were on many issues, I would be forced to believe that you work for an insurance company. But at $23K/year, I know you don’t work for insurance.
But at $23K/year, you don’t work for any profession, which tells me you are likely uneducated. But to go from the keen IT guy who can pick up on a conspiracy theory to being a party clown talking point vomiter has basically blown me away.
Whatever, dude. HR 3200 and HR 676 are NOT the same, dumbass. Stop using Dennis Kucinich to bolster your point about how you disagree with me and those who want Single Payer when Dennis is the co-author of the Single payer bill.
You see, this is how I know you are ignorant (btw: “ignorant” doesn’t mean “stupid”). It means that you are uneducated to a specific idea or issue.
OK, Mr Poor Southern White Male, your issue here was once that kelso couldn’t compare his country (Panama) with America because there are more people here (Duh!). Firstly, that is a fucking retarded thing to say or believe. You compare what we have to the REST OF THE WORLD, including Panama.
We’re Number 37
Are you happy with that, Mr America? I can hear your response right now: “Well, that liberal song writer should be shot”. I hear ya: better to kill the messenger than embrace the importance of the message.
How disconnected do you have to be to think that we are Number 1 in the world or that we have the “best healthcare in the world”? Nothing could be farther from the truth and you sound like a freaking nutcase suggesting it..
We need to trade this American Exceptionalness thingy for reality because this false sense of superiority is making us stupid as a box of rocks. The reality is found in this article by Stephen Green (h/t UnderNews):
Stephen Green, Counterpunch – The relative costs and performance outcomes of the many different healthcare delivery systems in over 200 countries and territories are known, tracked, carefully gathered, and published annually by the World Health Organization. . .
The United States as a government, according to the 2009 World Health Report, expends $3,076 US on healthcare per capita per year, which puts it third in the world behind Luxembourg ($4,992) and Denmark ($3,239) . . .
These, however, are only government healthcare expenditures, and all of the other countries listed here have essentially national, not free-market healthcare systems.
The report also tracks total national healthcare expenditure as a percentage of gross domestic product, public and private. Here then are those relative figures, for the top ten countries:
1. United States (15.8%) 2. France (11%) 3. Denmark (10.8%) 4. Switzerland (10.8%) 5. Germany (10.6%) 6. Austria (10.2%) 7. Canada (10.0%) 8. Sweden (9.2%) 9. Spain (8.4%) 10. Japan (8.1%)
The United States relative to its GDP expends, counting both government and private funds, 43% more on health care than does the next highest country, which is France.
Compared with Canada (aren’t we always comparing our HC system to Canada’s?) the US expends, in public and private funds together, 63% more on healthcare. . .
One standard measure of the effectiveness of our healthcare system might be life expectancy at birth, in years. According to WHO, the nation with the highest life expectancy is Japan, at 83 years, followed by Italy, Australia and Switzerland, at 82 years. You may expect to live to be 81 if you live in Canada, Israel, Netherlands, Norway, Singapore, France, Sweden, New Zealand and Andorra. People in Austria, Belgium and Cypress live to the age of 80, on average. Costa Ricans and people in Finland live on average to be 79. Citizens of the U.S., along with those of Chile, Denmark and Cuba die on average at age 78.
The infant mortality rate calculates the number of deaths at birth, per 1000 births, for both sexes. The U.S. is tied at six deaths per thousand with the countries of Thailand, Slovakia, Lithuania and Hungary. Among the countries with fewer than six deaths per 1000 live births are Slovenia, Singapore, San Marino, South Korea, Lithuania, Estonia, Cuba, Cyprus and Andorra.
Maternal mortality rates per 100,000 live births are also rated. The United States loses 11 mothers per 100,000 live births. Countries which lose fewer than that include Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Israel, Kuwait, Latvia, Malta, Poland, Slovakia and Macedonia. In all, a total of 31 countries suffer fewer than 11 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births.
And don’t start dogging the WHO, since it is this very entity that is forcing the Swine Flu horseshit upon us. They can’t be your savior one minute, then the enemy and wrong the next. Did you catch the part (all you financial “conservatives” out there) about us paying 43% more than the next listed country? Can you honestly and with a straight face tell me that you believe that the care you get is worth 43% more (at the minimum), when the truth shows us that we die earlier and more die as infants than most of the 200 countries studied? I may be reconsidering my initial opinion that you have intelligence if you say, “yes”.
I wish we could act as if most of us had a thought sequence occurring in our noggins, but it sure as hell doesn’t appear to be the case. I suppose I could always put an ad on CraigList (h/t The Telegraph UK):
Disgruntled American Seeks Canadian For Political Asylum, Maybe More
Like so many in the USA, I’ve become increasingly fed up with my country. The last 8 years have been a nightmare of perpetual motion. The presidential election is almost a month away, but let’s face it. If Bush’s cronies were able to set him up for two terms, then McCain and Palin are practically a shoo-in. When that happens (and it will, just you watch) I would rather be somewhere else. Like The Great White North!
Are you a lonely, possibly desperate Canadian woman aged 18-50? Tired of trying to find a good man among your flannel clad, Labatt’s drinking, moose hunting country men? Willing to take in an American who is fed up with his country? Then I’m the guy for you! Maybe you’re a bit overweight or suffer from “Lifelong Ugly Duckling” syndrome. I don’t care.
What I’m All Aboot:
- 32, tall, a bit pudgy around the middle, starting to go bald, but other than that it’s all good.
- IT Professional, skilled with computers, can fix yours.
- Will get whatever job(s) available to help support us.
- From Washington State, appreciates nature.
- Willing to learn French.
- Polite, working on being more humble.
- Hates littering.
- Will pet your cat(s)/dog(s) and tell you how cute it is.
- Enjoys Rush.
- Can fake an interest in hockey.
- Knows the first line to the Canadian National Anthem.
- Will do whatever it takes to get the fuck out of here.
What You’re All Aboot:
- 18-50 year old female.
- Willing to marry me for citizenship.
So there you have it ladies! This is your chance to help your neighbors to the South. Get at it!