Sorry, this old crazy-assed redneck can’t let this go.
Am I the only one that sees a storyline develop in this Gulf Sabotage Attack? Am I the only one that can see this thing unfold in a predetermined, planned way? Am I the only one that notices the convenience of how it is developing and what “actions” are taking place, no matter what the rhetoric?
You see, G (and others, I am sure) think that I live in a realm of paranoia. That I pursue “conspiracies” with such vigor that I actually make them happen (in my mind). You see, there is no way anyone would do something like this to the Gulf “on purpose”. I mean, it is only the freaky basket cases, like me, that could even imagine some cabal who would find some way to profit and gain even more vast areas of control over the population.
It is just crazies like me (I know, G, “crazy” is a little over the top, isn’t it?) who could make these guys into criminals, when in reality, they are doing everything in their human power to fix this. Right? Surely it is evident to all sane rednecks that these people like Tony Hayward are actually great humanitarians, ecologists, and protectors of liberty. It doesn’t matter that they made a lot of money (stopping very large losses beforehand) on BP stock sales, that was NOT anything like his normal trades for years. Nor the fact that Goldman Sachs (a very large stock holder in BP with a revolving door of management between the two entities) made and/or avoided an even BIGGER loss just days and weeks before the “accident”.
No, when a crazy old redneck with imagination problems considers these details, it can only be explained by showing that I NEED this paranoia. That I am forced into imagining this shit. That my normal, critical thinking ability now forces my brain into imagining stuff that “could never” happen.
But I keep coming back to something my little old red-headed mother used to say all the time: “Actions speak louder than words.”
What she meant is that people are fucking liars. People say all kind of shit to convince people to believe in something, when that something is the farthest thing from the truth. But, she also knew how to tell when they are lying… simply by comparing what they “DO” to what they “SAY”.
Simple, huh?
For those of us who have studied the subject of false flag events, it is far beyond imaginations. It is historical fact that this very country has been involved with MANY false flag events. See the list from Washington’s Blog that shows, “Governments ADMIT That They Carry Out False Flag Terror“
- The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950′s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected president
- Israel admits that an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind “evidence” implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers, and several of the Israelis later confessed) (and see this and this)
- The well-respected former Indonesian president admits that the government probably had a role in the Bali bombings
- The former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence admit that NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out terror bombings in Italy and blamed the communists, in order to rally people’s support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism. As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: “You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security” (and see this)(Italy joined NATO in 1949, years before the bombings occurred)
- As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents show that in the 1960′s, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. See the following ABC news report; the official documents; and watch this interview with the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC’s World News Tonight with Peter Jennings*
They go on to add several other links to these types of events showing how governments have been doing this stuff (and ADMITTING it) for a very long time:
There are many other instances of false flag attacks used throughout history proven by the historical evidence. See this, this and this. The above are only some examples of governments admitting to using false flag terror.
My comment/question is exactly the same as theirs, “How can this be a conspiracy theory when THEY ADMIT it?”
One can go thru the details of many events in history and see that these events were “Caused” intentionally. As JFK once tried to explain, there are no coincidences in government. If it is being done, it is done on purpose.
“Things do not happen. Things are made to happen.” — JFK
FDR told us the same shit:
“In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happened, you can bet it was planned that way.” — FDR
But, it is really me and my conspiratorial paranoia that is inventing this scenario. I have invented this in my mind because somehow I need it. I am causing a self-fulfilling prophecy of imagination, as it were.
Let me tell a little story:
I was sitting on my front porch last week when I saw a truck with a trailer pull up to my neighbor’s house across the street. The neighbor is an old guy (94, I think) and his health has been waning a bit, so he had to go to the hospital for a few days. As I was watching this truck full of people unload, I wondered, “What the hell are they doing at “Old Man’s” House”?
My mind tells me, “Well, they look like responsible workers, so I suppose they are there to do a job.”
But, as I watch, I notice that they decide to break in a window, instead of opening the door with a key. One of the little guys goes in thru the window and in a moment or two, opens the front door. Then everyone was able to go in and “work on the house”.
I sat there and watched as they took out the furniture and loaded it on the trailer. They brought out all sorts of clothes, TV’s and all the guns this old man had collected for decades and put it all on the trailer.
Finally, one of the guys notices me on the porch and yells, “Don’t worry, we are taking good care of “Old Man.”
With that excellent bit of explanation and the warm trust that enveloped me from his kind, moving words, I walked back in my house and turned my attention away from them. You see, I trusted them because they TOLD me they were doing the right thing.
Two weeks later, when “Old Man” returned from the hospital, he went in and saw that everything he ever owned was gone. No trace.
He walked over and asked me if I saw anything. I said, “Well, there was these fine men that told me they were helping you out.”
Forgive me, but how is it possible that I see criminality in these actions of BP and our complicit government, and others see ineptitude at best, and simple honest mistakes at worse?
Here is what looks apparent to me: Goldman Sachs is paying Tony Hayward/BP to fall on his/their sword. They knew something in advance, sold shares to avoid the huge losses coming (these sales were NOT the norm for either entity) and are now playing the part as this thing vomits its bowels out into our gulf and tainting the rest of the world.
To me, this is not extreme thinking, in the slightest. It is observing the actions opposed to the words.
Simple.
But, what I have not been able to congeal in my mind is the end game rationale. What are they trying to implement? Who else will benefit and how? Is it the NWO’s final power grab? Is there even a NWO (G seems to think that this, too, is my imagination, even tho I have countless videos and articles with the people saying this shit out right).
I wonder who the crazy redneck is? The one who sees the shit that is glaringly obvious, or the ones that refuse to believe that evil could do the kind of shit that I see happening?
One thing is for sure, whether or not one is convinced that this is purposeful and another False Flag Event, it is devastating to the region and worse.
The oil eruption in the Gulf of Mexico—the worst environmental disaster in US history—is devastating local economies. Tens of thousands of fishermen, tourist-industry and oil workers are directly affected. The indirect ramifications are incalculable.
The Gulf Coast region is already one of the poorest parts of the country. Alabama includes counties with unemployment rates as high as 24 percent, and Mississippi has the sixth highest official unemployment rate in the country, at 11.4 percent. The gulf states of Texas and Louisiana, with their oil and gas intensive economies, have the greatest income inequality in the United States behind the state of New York.
On June 16, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) increased the no-fishing zone in the Gulf to 80,806 square miles, about 33.4 percent of federal Gulf waters. Affected areas stretch from Louisiana’s Atchafalaya Bay in the west through Mississippi and Alabama, to the coastal areas by Panama City on the Florida panhandle in the east. Broad swaths of Gulf southward are also closed.
A minority of the fishermen seeing their livelihoods destroyed have been hired by BP or contractors to help with the clean-up efforts, but many say they have not been paid since May, according to Courthouse News. Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser remarked, “It’s a Catch-22…. If you can’t fish and then you take a $5,000 monthly payment from BP, you cannot get food stamps because your income is too much, but then the $5,000 is really only half what you need.”
Louisiana Residents are beginning to get sick.
Could This Disaster Kill Millions of US Citizens?
I like the idea, but it appears that they have already cut the stomach twice and are awaiting the guts to fall into their laps. What is the next step in Hara Kiri? Someone (a friend) cuts off the head to stop the suffering.
Rep Barton apologized to Hayward and BP. Some seem to think that this is becasue he is a Republican, a texan or an imbecile. But, as I always tell you, follow the money. Barton is BP’s biggest contribution recipient. Imagine that?
To prove that the reTHUGlican Party is going to support the Hara Kiri, they sent out the unimpressive Alabama senator Richard Shelby to explain that Tony needs to hurry up and spew his sword removed guts, so his head can be cut off quickly:
Yes, my fellow lovely rednecks, It’s Hara Kiri Time!
How do I know? Because the information is slowly being released. As an example, internal documents show that BP has been lying about the amount (imagine them lying to us…). Its up over 100,000 barrels per day (and they have known this for a while). Thank goodness there is only about 2 BILLION gallons left in this hole.
Mark my words: The US government will cut the head off of BP and the US tax payer will pay this. This is a catalyst for something much bigger. Carbon Taxes, method to tear down society in order to implement Martial Law, implement austerity measures and bring the US standard of living down in equality with the other poorer nations.
One can argue that it is all happening by accident, due to ineptness and idiotic management.
OR
One can look at the actions, see the end game developing, consider FDR/JFK’s warning and consider that there IS mucho gain to be made. Population control and a new source of revenue to milk us even dryer.
Stop putting words in my mouth. Strangely, even the article of mine you linked to refutes the view you attribute to me. If you were to ACTUALLY WATCH the documentary in the post you’d see that it’s all about real conspiracies; to characterise me as naive and trusting of authorities and CEOs is ridiculous. I don’t like or trust mainstream politicians or big oil CEOs at all, and haven’t said anything to that effect.
Again, I appeal for calm and balance. You are making me into an enemy and I have done no such thing to you – I merely disagreed with you on one point, which seems to make you very angry.
I think, I guess, that you care a lot about the world and feel like you’re out on the margins sort of shouting through a foot of plate glass at people who are just oblivious. So it’s not a very comfortable situation to be in, and I know all about that. Maybe it’s just me.
And so I can understand, you have a blog to offer this alternative view, and someone comes along and disagrees with some point, and it’s like “who’s this guy shitting all over my little corner of this fucked-up world where my view is the ‘mainstream’?”
But I don’t want to shit all over anything; that’s not what I’m doing – you’re waaaaaay overreacting. I disagree with you on one point. When you say my view is:
“It is just crazies like me (BM) who could make these guys into criminals, when in reality, they are doing everything in their human power to fix this. Right?”
- please stop for a moment and admit that this is not what I have said. You really are putting words in my mouth and generalising the real me into some enemy representing ‘The Man’. I think, if you’re interested to know at all, that the BP people are criminally reckless arseholes; I just disagree with the notion that it is at all LIKELY that the spill was done on purpose – that is different from saying that it is IMPOSSIBLE or that only ‘crazy’ people would believe that.
I think that the ‘deliberate spill’ theory is very, very, very, very, very unlikely and that you have a huge burden of PROOF (not just any old seeming connection) to fulfill before you go making these extreme accusations. The stuff about Haliburton investing in clean-up gear isn’t proof; maybe they were simply aware that safety-standards were slipping and they were hedging their bets so that they profit regardless of whether they get a lot of oil or there’s a disaster – this is different from a deliberate spill.
Anyway, look, every time I try to make peace so far you keep making me into this enemy; I thought you were better than this. I’m sorry if I phrased something carelessly and got your back up; I meant to disagree with you, not to slander you, so please stop slandering me by characterising me as some sort of straw man target who loves corporations and Obama or whatever.
Man, I have to add for emphasis: you think I’m like, “ha ha you sad paranoid little man” – you don’t understand; I believe in wearing one’s shortcomings openly: I’ll admit to having been paranoid or to having believed in something untrue on many an occasion. I see this is part of everyday human experience and frailty. Maybe you think that anyone who does something crazy is a ‘crazy person’ but I don’t see it that way at all. I think that ordinary, averagely sane people have to deal with their own craziness every day. Misjudging probabilities is such a common craziness that it’s the basis of the whole gambling industry. I think that you’re wrong about this probabilities on this occasion. That’s all! Jesus! Right, I’m done.
Posted by G | June 21, 2010, 7:16 amG,
Your automatic reaction was to defend against this “accusation” (I like to think of it as a “discussion”), then explain it away as a man who is paranoid. How the hell am I inaccurate in this description?
I don’t think of you as an enemy, but as someone who apparently thinks whatever intentions were with BP, perhaps that they are just callous assholes, this is LIKELY just a blundering mistake.
I am saying that there is a huge possibility for another “theory”. That when you look at all the details surrounding the event (knowing that they knew problems were abound before the blast, that arguments were had between factions about using seawater, instead of “mud”, that Haliburton “might” have known something beforehand, instead of “hedging its bets”… blah, blah, blah. You see a lot of little convenient (for them) circumstances and coincidences that culminate in this nightmare, I suggest there could be (and may LIEKLY be) something far more sinister.
You defend and associate idiocy to this… I “accuse” and discuss th3e possibility of evil and purpose.
Should we not even discuss it, G?
Is the most prudent thing for me to find videos explaining away your “crazy” lack of paranoia?
You dig?
The fact that you disagree isn’t the issue, G. It is how you went out of your way here (and even making a post at your place) to try and persuade/convince me/others that I am paranoid. Your last paragraph above does the same fucking thing.
So, let’s get this straight. Argue the facts against my “theory” without explaining to everyone how I am just paranoid and grasping. Then, I wouldn’t have a problem, at all.
Posted by BuelahMan | June 21, 2010, 8:44 am“The fact that you disagree isn’t the issue, G. It is how you went out of your way here (and even making a post at your place) to try and persuade/convince me/others that I am paranoid.”
Nope. The post doesn’t mention you. It’s not even about the Gulf spill.
You can find videos on the Internet apparently proving that Congress and the royal family are reptiles. It’s not real research. I don’t have to post vids backing my point of view – it’s YOU who is making the extraordinary claim here.
You can discuss this theory about a deliberate spill all day, all year – you won’t be able to prove anything. If you start seeing dots connecting without any real proof, that’s paranoia. I just think you should be more tentative about what is quite an extraordinary conclusion. You think that this conspiracy is the most likely explanation at this point and you fit it into a wider myth of elites taking over the world – I find that irrational.
It is quite ridiculous that you use these covert ops and false flag cases to argue against me when I actually mention similar cases on the very post of mine that you reference! I know this shit goes on! It doesn’t mean every damn thing is part of a Master Plan! 99% of the time, shit just happens! Decontextualised JFK quote notwithstanding.
Posted by G | June 21, 2010, 9:05 am99% of the time? Really?
That, sir, is fucking nuts. Not lack of paranoia, but down right idiotic crazy talk.
When you wrote that you are willing to accept that the US government knew or allowed 911, etc, I understood that you have not paid attention or simply were gullible.
I am not sure which it is.
Posted by BuelahMan | June 21, 2010, 9:11 amAha. The post has been edited or you had another that eluded to me initially (I like the guy, etc).
Convenient, G.
Posted by BuelahMan | June 21, 2010, 10:11 amI’m mad your mad he’s mad! Lets not get mad at each other. Everybody should be mad . Look at our gulf! It is ruined! I live five hours away and now it’s mountain time for any trip I want to take! Not the beach. I don’t think this was an accident, if so, it could have been prevented. Now it is being used for what I think is a takeover! But that is my opinion! I hope we still have the right to “discuss” this after time. Martial law is scary. FEMA is dangerous and this is not getting better! I know I am a reasonable person and this has no reason. It has been lies from the start. This is not going to stop. How far will it go? I have worked in a oil refinery. Safety was what always slowed us down. Profit cannot be made without it in this industry. BP took the wrong turn in every aspect of safety regarding this disaster! They knew they could have went to shallower water, they knew they could have waited on the higher PSI preventers, but the didn’t!?! In oil you cannot make a profit without the proper safety measures. Not one safety measure they were warned about did they use! A rig with such a great safety record, turned their head at EVERY DAMN RECOMENDATION? C’mon man
Posted by drdoug | June 21, 2010, 9:13 am“When you wrote that you are willing to accept that the US government knew or allowed 911, etc, I understood that you have not paid attention or simply were gullible.”
What does that mean? So I thought it might be possible – so what? And what do you mean by ‘paid attention’? To whom/what?
“That, sir, is fucking nuts. Not lack of paranoia, but down right idiotic crazy talk.”
What, you think the idea that powerful people manipulate everything is the sane view? Don’t you think it’s more like they tweak a thing here and a thing there to get their own way? You seem to think of politicians and elites as evil gods.
Okay, so I tried to place nice, but apparently I’m just an idiot, so I guess nothing I say will get through.
Posted by G | June 21, 2010, 9:19 amG,
There is no way in hell that those building came down on 911 by the acts of Muslims alone. That was a controlled demolition. Nothing could be more obvious. Muslims did not plant the explosives.
Are you suggesting (as I suspect you are) that the plane impacts brought down the buildings? Or are you suggesting that explosives were used and Muslims planted them OR, are you agreeing with the MSM story?
What I am saying is that you are far too trusting in the story line spoon fed you. There is ample information to cause any thinking person to question any and all of this (related to the Gulf or 911). There is enough history to cause any thinking person to consider ANOTHER false flag event (just like ALL the other ones I noted in the links… and for God’s sake, there are more).
If you aren’t looking anywhere else, except the MSM (or wherever you get these ideas), you can find a lot of shit here. Its not like I haven’t been discussing this shit for years. Conspiracy discussion happen frequently here. I thought you must have know that.
I always link to places and information, if you care to take the time to read.
Posted by BuelahMan | June 21, 2010, 9:51 amWhen did I say I ruled out a controlled explosion? I still think it might have been some kind of inside job. But I am humble about the limits of my knowledge, whereas you are so sure of your view.
There is much about that whole situation that is highly suspect, but I don’t expect to ever know what really went down. It doesn’t change much for me personally either way – I still dislike and distrust Bush, Cheney, Pearle, Wolfowitz and all that mob. It’s a shame I will never know what really happened on 9/11, but that’s how it is. But this doesn’t mean that ‘They’ win – their victories are always hollow but evil and foolish people never quite understand that.
Posted by G | June 21, 2010, 10:02 amThe health care bill in this country is a hollow victory? Then you can afford it if you see it that way! It violates our constitution. That victory has teeth with provisions to enforce it! It bites at all hardworking, struggling Americans. These executive orders that have been signed by the last three administrations are hollow victories? So far they are because they haven’t had to use them. They are not evil gods, but very evil and greedy people who are in power. These small wins will eventually erode what is left of the American way of life.
Posted by drdoug | June 21, 2010, 10:20 amYou don’t understand where the comment’s coming from – you’re running away with your own interpretation. When I say these are hollow victories, I mean that when nasty people win they make the world a nastier, more chaotic place. I may have little money or power but I would not like to be Donald Rumsfeld – I think he is a horrible, small man. Even without him getting busted for war-crimes or anything like that; even if he dies rich and honoured, I still see his victories as hollow. These are loveless, insincere, conflicted people.
Posted by G | June 21, 2010, 10:26 amHollow where I come from is without substance. Vacant in the middle. My own interpretation ??? These hollow victories makes the world nastier, and a more chaotic place???? That has meat in the center of it!!! Now, shallow, around here is a different thing! Is that what you are saying? These people are shallow? What do I not understand in my foolish ways?
I had no idea your comment was coming from or about Donny R. cause you had never mentioned him except as in the mob. Since you didn’t mention him by name…. I should have known you were talking about him?
And comparing all this to the Royal family or congress being reptiles??? That suggests that I believe everything I see or hear as if I have no mind of my own. Is that what your saying? I wasn’t trying to knock anyone over the head with my idea… But you sure are hitting my head just for mentioning it?
Posted by drduhgylie | June 21, 2010, 4:44 pmG,
You are still trying to fit that “trust” of the storyline in with the obvious facts. I have posted on the 911 subject exhaustively and there is ample information here that shows how this could be nothing except demolition. To me, there can be no other explanation.
I can’t write, “I still think it MIGHT have been some kind of inside job”. I have studied the facts around this subject to be “sure of my view”. And, BTW, I never claimed to be humble about anything. I call it like I see it. Surely this is evident from even a cursory read here.
Why would you never expect to know the entire truth? Is it ok that it is nothing but a shame?
I simply cannot think that there is no other agenda at work here, G. There is enough circumstantial evidence to make any thinking person question this. Hence, why I don’t understand your stance.
Something sinister is surely afoot.
Posted by BuelahMan | June 21, 2010, 10:23 amWhat the hell do you want from me!? Nothing short of total agreement will do, it seems. Okay, you’re right – you’ve proved it, it’s all a plot, and no one will listen. Everyone except you and those who agree with you are ‘sheeple’. You win.
What now?
Maybe it’s all crystal clear to you, but you won’t achieve anything by preaching to the converted and insulting everyone else. You create an echo-chamber that way, and echo-chambers are no good for discovering the truth; they just develop a narrower an narrower point of view. Your reaction to me even doubting that 9/11 is an inside job is way out of proportion. Not everyone has pored over the evidence and come to the same conclusions as you. Deal with that in a grown-up manner, please. I am not ‘sheeple’, like it or not. I am not sitting passively absorbing the MSM spiel, yet a disagree with you on SOME points – deal with it.
Posted by G | June 21, 2010, 10:33 am“Aha. The post has been edited or you had another that eluded to me initially (I like the guy, etc).
Convenient, G.”
Yes, it must be some kind of trick, eh..?
No. The original post was up for about half an hour before I realised it made horrible reading. I didn’t have a lot of time to write a proper post so I tried to use my OWN comment, with no reference to you or where it came from, to build a post out of. Because of WordPress issues with copy-pastes from other sources, the spacing kept messing up. And the comment just didn’t stand alone right as a post. So for these reasons I deleted it.
I had nothing to hide from you – no one not coming straight from this site would have identified you from it and there was no comment about you that I didn’t post here anyway, so there was no sneaky attack and no harm done to you.
Watch the documentary – you will like it.
Posted by G | June 21, 2010, 10:20 amG,
You eluded above that the post was not even about me, when in fact, the post was generated AFTER you read here. I saw it, I read it referencing me (perhaps not in name) and now it is gone (changed).
Please, at least show me some respect. I didn’t imagine that you were referencing me, whether or not anyone else would have known.
It isn’t about who reads it, it isn’t about me being “harmed”… it is about truth. It is about people I trust to be dealing with me in truth, G. I ask for nothing more.
Here is a hint, any time and EVERY time I ever edit a post that has been published I make a note in HUGE BLACK LETTERS about the change.
Posted by BuelahMan | June 21, 2010, 10:31 amYou’re not even paying attention to what I’m saying to you! It came from the comment I made here but didn’t mention you or link to the post. No one even read the fucking thing in the half hour it was online! Man! Don’t try to act like this is some high-minded issue of ‘truth’; this is nothing but pique.
Posted by G | June 21, 2010, 10:37 amDon’t act as if it wasn’t there… that the post wasn’t about me and my self-induced paranoia, when I read it (and so did one other person).
High-minded?
Truth, Brother. Use it.
Posted by BuelahMan | June 21, 2010, 11:04 am“You see, G (and others, I am sure) think that I live in a realm of paranoia.”
‘G’ tried that crap on me too. See their comment on this post http://www.notanotherconspiracy.com/2010/06/bp-tony-hayward-sold-shares-weeks.html
They, ‘G’ makes fine argument whilst calling folks names. He called me a paranoiac. And they ‘g’ wonders why some folks take offense.
p.s. – don’t worry B’man [I know you're not] some of us know the truth of things. While I’ve not overly reported on this BP mess, it doesn’t mean I don’t think some strange shiot has and is not taking place. It’s as I said earlier, I’m about done.
p.p.s. – I think g has a problem with the possibility of being labeled a conspiracy theorist, or worse, a nut job paranoiac. I also think g has some issues deep within he needs to work out. He gets off on belittling people. I think g thinks g stands for God. I think g is an arm chair psychologist, who it[g] itself should seek professional help. I’m not saying it doesn’t have a brain or is smart, many psychopaths are. lmfaorotf
p.p.p.s. – I think g is one of them … call me paranoid … lol
Posted by Ed | June 21, 2010, 10:37 amSee? Bunch of echo-chamber cheerleaders. As long as you’re attacking the ‘enemy’ you can be as unconcerned with reality as you like. Now I have a god-complex. Fine. Enjoy.
Posted by G | June 21, 2010, 10:40 amEd, what I said on your site was such a mild disagreement compared with what you’re saying here – NOW you do seem crazy though; now you’re getting all fucking menstrual about it. And:
“Who said I accept causality.”
So you disbelieve in all science and reason then? But you’re not crazy, right?
Posted by G | June 21, 2010, 10:43 amAccepting and believing are two different things.
ouch .. touched a nerve … lol
Posted by Ed | June 21, 2010, 10:59 amBunch?
Like in grapes?
Posted by BuelahMan | June 21, 2010, 11:01 amOMG, Ed
Not Another Conspiracy???
lol
Posted by BuelahMan | June 21, 2010, 11:00 amsometimes I cant help myself
Posted by Ed | June 21, 2010, 11:16 amThis all started with my post “What if” I wasn’t trying to knock anyone over the head and say this is it period. I wanted to open up the possibility because I just don’t know. It’s possible but unlikely! I am a boy scout where I am prepared for the worse then anything less is welcome! I didn’t prove anything I just was thinking out loud. Where is the truth in this? The oil flow rates have went back and forth and so has a deadline for this coming to an end. We are being lied to at the very least.
I am just a southern boy seeing my gulf coast being ruined and being lied to about it. People are getting sick in this clean up. People are getting exposed to all kinds of shit they shouldn’t have to be. Rain is becoming toxic and crops will be destroyed.
I pray that I am off base as I can be! If not, then we are doomed here in the south. (If not the nation) What happens when it reaches European soil?
I am not purposely spreading fear. I don’t know how to. Don’t want to. I have no agenda but to be able to go to the coast and get drunk on the beach and go out and catch some seafood! This is getting worse as we speak with no let up in sight. This may or may not be a grab for world domination but something is up. An accident??? Not when every safety measure that was called for was not used! Especially with an oil company!!! I have seen them operate and they put every aspect of safety first! This rig had an excellent record before this, now it is responsible for the worse accident ever!
100 miles from my home are crops that have spots on their leaves and are dying. is it acid rain from this?
Posted by drdoug | June 21, 2010, 12:57 pmEXCUSE ME,,,,,,,Up above, there is a link to an article entitled:
Could this disaster kill millions of US citizens This is the second time it has been posted in here
It was deemed important enough to include it above and elsewhere, preveiously, and I commented on this sat morn, but it generated no dialog, which i was hoping for, due to the severity of the looming event IF in fact it occures.
B-man, Dr, “G” and anybody else with concern, shouldn’t we dovote at least SOME disscussion about this possibillity?
Im sittin up here shittin all over myself, freakin out, after reading and contemplting this gas bubble and what it all means in the long term. Im thinkin, you southern rednecks just might be in peril from this if it occures. You understand, ofcourse, i hope, that im worried sick about all of you. And nobodies talkin about it.
I hope you all can understand my concern.
Posted by "B" waves will set you free | June 21, 2010, 1:36 pmAnd further, DR DOUG, if your 5 hrs away from the coast, you may be the furthest situated to the south, and quite possibly, therefore, the one in the gravest danger depending on how the event plays out. What i read above, in the article, leads me to beleive 5 hrs inland is not necessairly outside of a safe zone.
Thing is, DR,,,,if i was situated 5 hrs from the Gulf Coast, i would be making preparations for re-deployment to B-mans area. I would at least get prepared however your life calls for, get some stuff moved, I, I just wouldn’t be sitting on my ass taking a casual attitude about this possibillity.
If this event occures, and once it does, your going to be up to your ass in aligators.
Doug, get fuel, as much as you can store. For your vehicle. And a gallon of premeium bleach. Just one gal. Then there, you’ve done the minimum.
And remember, you can get drinking water from any hot water heater.
Alright, shuttin up now.
Posted by "B" waves will set you free | June 21, 2010, 1:53 pmWhat? And have Dr Doug move a whole 30 minutes farther north?
Buddy, you just picked up on exactly why me and my old buddy, Doug are so damned worried (besides the simple fact of compassion for fellow humans). We could very well be heavily affected by this. And where would we go? To England? New England? Hell, this is home. We don’t have anywhere to go.
Doug and I get together to fish weekly. We discuss the implications of this and just today, via telephone, we have been discussing this entire thing again (and how it relates to G). It may simply be a proximity thing or the fact that G is English and doesn’t grasp just how corrupt our system and those who run it are (which I find incredible).
But in regards to theories, with what I believe to be at stake (our lives), I believe everything should be discussed. Nothing should be minimized or shrugged away as imaginations.
Posted by BuelahMan | June 21, 2010, 2:15 pmB’waves I am as prepared as I can be! I am not moving! I grew up here and moved away and now I’m back home. This is where I will ride out the storm! I have my parents here and they are old and sick. I have to stay. I appreciate your concern I really do but this is it for me. i can’t go don’t want to go! I may get through the first wave if the bubble bursts or whatever.
Remember Mutual of Omaha’s wildkingdom? “While Jim is down there wrestling with the lions I am up here in the helicopter watching”. Some people are so far removed from this it doesn’t really effect them like it does me! I don’t have gas masks or anything like that but I have food and fuel. For how long I don’t know. I hope it doesn’t come to that!
Your right the gas bubble is a scary situation and should be discussed more.
The sea bed could collapse in on it’s self. A lot of shit could happen but this is it for me …. My place to ride it out and see. If I can’t live here I don’t want to live! That’s just me!
I’m just a redneck here in Mississippi and am use to getting the short end of things. It’s learned helplessness but it’s all I know!
Posted by drduhgylie | June 21, 2010, 2:58 pm99% of the time, shit just happens?
The wealthy elite didn’t get filthy rich by just letting shit happen.
Anyway, this will probably all be driven off the MSM radar when those bombs start dropping on Tehran.
Posted by Greg Bacon | June 21, 2010, 2:46 pmGreg,
Funny how those little coincidental bombings occur at just the right time. About like how the second phase of the Depression is about to start… and like how all those sick people are going to have to start moving from the Gulf area TOWARDS my area.
Shit just happens… Nothing to see here.
Posted by BuelahMan | June 21, 2010, 2:54 pmDoug, do you happen to know what yor elevation is there at your location?
B-man,,,how bout you. do you know what yours is?
Im glad your at least thinking about this. I assume as a result of the above responses, that you two except the science behind this threat as relitivly credible. It all seems pretty credible to me. It put a freakin chill in me man.
The guy says a sign of this occurence being eminant, is fissures(cracks) opening up in the sea floor. And there you go,,,,we got fissures on the sea floor surrounding the well head. Openning up all around the well head from that intense presure of the bubble pushing up.
damm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Posted by "B" waves will set you free | June 21, 2010, 8:10 pmI live in a county that is the highest in Mississippi. Peaks at 806′ I am around 450′. Yea this threat is real and I’m not through with it. I have been researching and trying to get another story that suggests the same thing. There are other sources but it’s still kinda hush hush. All I do is hope for the best and prepare for the worse. Air sensors today recorded Benzyne at 3300 parts per million. Very dangerous to humans and would cause an alarm at a refinery to leave the area. Not too mention the other gases present. Some I don’t know about and how bad it is. The bigger the name the worse it is IMO. Acid rain from all this is a real concern of mine also.
Posted by DrDoug | June 21, 2010, 9:17 pmLook up batholith… this is what I think they have tapped into. These are at different depths in the earths mantle and very likely this is what has happened. Russia has drilled into these back into the 70′s and have had problems. The only way they could stop them is using a small nuke. But calculating the size charge you need at 6 miles down is iffy. At best. Russia has done it four times. using a nuke to stop a “runaway” well.
Posted by DrDoug | June 21, 2010, 9:52 pmUsing a nuke could be dicy at best, couldn’t it?
There’s that tremendous amount of water pressure at that depth, which would concentrate the force downward, I think, and could possibly rip open the entire oil field in that area, couldn’t it?
It’s bad news, no matter which way they go.
Posted by Greg Bacon | June 22, 2010, 3:28 amThis is what concerns me. I don’t see any other way to stop it. It has multiple leaks thru fissures (as Doug points out, this is a sign that there is far more damage). A nuke scares the hell out of me since it could be the thing that causes the Tsunami, if this cavern falls in on itself, or if the blast releases and/or ignites any gigantic Methane bubbles.
But it must be stopped or it could foul the entire face of the earth (oceans). But it is the gases and potential for acid rain that kills animals, plants and fouls the drinking water that scares me the most.
It may not be any Tsunami, but it will kill even more as a storm spreads it across this country. Check out this link:
http://www.eutimes.net/2010/05/toxic-oil-spill-rains-warned-could-destroy-north-america/
Posted by BuelahMan | June 22, 2010, 4:38 amusing a nuke is a last resort thing I hope! It has been done four times by Russia back in the 70′s. They were at a depth of 40,000 which is about ten more than DH. On their deepest. Yea it’s risky and I am praying for the relief wells to work. Which was done last year in Australia. As these leaks start showing up in the sea bed away from the well head, I don’t see one device stopping it. If not making it worse.
Posted by drdoug | June 22, 2010, 6:57 amDrDoug said
I live in a county that is the highest in Mississippi. Peaks at 806′ I am around 450′
5 hrs driving distance north of the coast,,,ill estimate your approx 250 miles from the coast. 250 miles, x 450 feet MSL, equals probable saftey.
There are a lot of trees, structures etc and other obstructions the wave would encounter that would impair it’s inland movement. But alot depends upon the force propelling that water. I think it wouldn’t reach your position. (gut feeling only-no science to back that up)
I would suspect however that your position would be over run with displaced refugees and with that brings government intervention and all the negitive ramifications we know of, and have preveiously discussed.
I would add that, if this is really a likely threat, (the gas bubble) the government as well as BP knows it, and will never disclose the risk to the citizenery.
Has anyone reading here heard anything about this methane gas bubble situation anywhere within the mainstream media? Anything being mentiond?
Posted by "B" waves will set you free | June 22, 2010, 10:35 amHi B! Y’all are discussing some serious and scary stuff. The only place I’ve read about the collapse and methane bubble is not in the MSM. The only thing close that I read was a scientist who said the well could keep going for years and that if they tried a nuclear bomb we could really have a sea floor cave in. If I find the article, I’ll link to it. I don’t consider myself a conspiracy theorist in that I question the motives and morals of everything and read up on everything I can find on a subject. I’m a scientific skeptic, meaning I look for a scientific reason, look at all variables, but anything supposedly being a societal need-government, corporations, organized religion, I’m very skeptical of their motivations and morals. Don’t trust them as far as I can cynically spit!
Posted by Joanaroo | June 23, 2010, 3:05 amHey,
I feel the same way about being skeptical of ANYTHING the power mongers who control this country do. Its not like I have no reason to be suspect. As I told G (and he takes exception), EVERYTHING they do seems corrupt. There are almost too many historical examples.
Posted by BuelahMan | June 23, 2010, 3:38 amDiscussing location, now that has me wondering. I live in Southeast PA, 45 mi. NW of Philly, about 265 ft. above sea level, and 90 mi. SW of NYC and 90 mi. N of Wash. DC. I’ve heard if water levels rise, NYC, Jersey and other coastal areas will be at least partially underwater. Also, I feel like screaming at these assholes supposedly in charge: What the fuck are they waiting for? Not accepting offers of foreign help, not repealing the Jones Act, not allowing Billy N. and others to do cleanup properly, letting BP in charge, hiring out-of-state workers to clean up with no protective respirators-just read BP will fire those wearing theirs, not allowing media in or talk to workers, BP not allowing rescuers to save protected turtles before they’re burned alive, Thad Allen recently saying air quality is fine, etc. What the fuck is going on?!!
Posted by Joanaroo | June 23, 2010, 3:28 amEven tho there is some play on the MSM, there is a tight control of the message. Independent people can’t go down there without hassle. If someone has a camera, they have been arrested. Workers aren’t allowed to speak with outsiders and according to an interview I heard yesterday, many locals on Grande Isle are completely freaked out and are saying that this is far bigger than the MSM is letting on.
Posted by BuelahMan | June 23, 2010, 3:41 amHave you guys wondered too about the fact if there’s drilling rigs off the coast of Indonesia, why there have been so many earthquakes in that area for a few years? Is it all just tectonics or can there be methane shifting around too?
Posted by Joanaroo | June 23, 2010, 3:44 amI hear on the radio news where they casually speak like it’s all over except getting BP to clean up the mess like it’s gonna be nothing more than just a simple routine process. Hardly any mention about the still leaking well head. And thats it. Like it’s not that big a deal anymore.
I have a National Geographic map of the Gulf here on my lap. The rig is what, 50 mi out somewhere near NOLA? Well, a twenty mi (approximatly) wide cavern of methane is still pretty small ou theret in that big blue expanse of water. I’ve drawn a acale 25 mi circle on the map, in the approx location i think where the well head is located. It’s a small little circle. The guy says when this bubble gets released from 5 mi below the sea floor, it’s rise to the surface will be at the speed of sound. So that means when it pops to the surface of the sea, there will be a sonic boom. A hell of a shook wave in the atmosphere. B-man, Doug, I deffinately think you two would get to hear that booom!!! You might even feel it if your awake. It’ll damm sure make your windows rattle, i would think, even that far north.
I want to find information somewhere on the net about the dynamics of a tsunami before i comment further about that topic.
Posted by "B" waves will set you free | June 23, 2010, 2:18 pmDynamics » Birth of a Tsunami
Origin of the Word:
The word “tsunami” comes from the Japanese words tsu (harbor) and nami (waves). They are sometimes called “harbor waves”.
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Anatomy of a normal wave:
The picture below shows a picture of a normal wave. The distance between the crest (highest point of the wave) and the trough (lowest point of the wave) is called the wave height. The distance (horizontal) between two consecutive wave crests is called wave length.
The time it takes for two consecutive waves to cross the same point is used to calculate the frequency of waves. This is called wave period.
Normal waves are usually caused by wind, although they can be generated by gravitational pull, atmospheric pressure and unusual activity under water. The size and speed of wind waves depend on the strength of the wind.
Normal waves usually have a wave speed of 5-60 mph (8 -100 kph), a wave period of 5-20 seconds apart and a wave length of 300-600 feet apart (100 – 200 meters apart).
Caption: Anatomy of a Normal Wave
Credit: U. S. Navy
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Anatomy of a tsunami wave:
The main differences between a tsunami wave and normal wind-generated wave are size, speed and cause. Tsunami waves usually have a wave speed of 500 -600 mph (800 -1000 kph), a wave period of 10 minutes to 2 hours apart and a wave length of 60 – 300 miles apart (100 – 500 km apart). The anatomy of a tsunami wave is otherwise similar to the wind-generated wave.
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Birth of a tsunami wave:
Tsunamis are formed when a large volume of water is displaced, either by an earthquake or by a gigantic landslide. The tsunami that happened on December 26, 2004 was triggered by an earthquake. The earthquake measure 9.0 on the Richter scale — one of the biggest in recorded history. This earthquake happened due to a slippage between the India and Burma plates near the island of Sumatra in Indonesia. The slippage happened along a 600 mile (1000 kms) boundary between the two plates. It is a real big slippage.
When the tsunami is born, it begins as a series of waves in the ocean that can be as high as 33 feet and extend hundreds of miles long. They are nothing but giant and ferocious “walls of water” that travel at great speeds. Scientists have measured the speed of travel of the tsunamis and have found that they can travel as fast or faster than a commercial jet. For example, the December 26, 2004 tsunami was recorded to have traveled 375 miles (600 km) in approximatley 75 minutes. That’s very fast — 300 mph (480 kph). Some tsunamis have been recorded to travel up to 600 mph (965 kph) at the deepest point of water. They slow down as they approach the shore at about 40 mph (64 kph). However, at this point the energy of the tsunami’s speed is transferred to height and sheer force as it approaches the shore.
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Credits
Credits: Online
How tsunamis work
Credits: Books
Plate Tectonics by Kevin Cuff, Ian Carmichael, Carolyn Willard
Apocalypse: a Natural History of Global Disasters by Bill McGuire (Cassell, London, 1999).
Furious Earth: The Science and Nature of Earthquakes, Volcanoes, and Tsunamis by Ellen J. Prager.
Credits: Interactions
Ideas for team-generated interactions were conceived by reading articles from NASA and also from Creative Adventures activities.
Credits: Individuals
Ms. Irivinti for teaching us how to use Dreamweaver for our web design, Photoshop and Fireworks for graphics as well as animating our logo. She taught us how to create different background (fading) effects, how to pick appropriate colors, and how to generate theme specific images, spacers etc. She also assisted us with all programming aspects of our website.
Mrs. Cataldo, Ms. Irivinti and our parents for guiding us with research and content development. It was difficult to find information we needed in one place and their assistance helped us a lot in this regard.
Mrs. Cataldo and Ms. Irivinti for reviewing and editing what we wrote. They told us when our writing needed more work and also taught us how to cite sources, obtain permission for images that we borrowed from other websites and also the proper way to credit them.
Our Interactions on Tsunamis
Formation of Continents
Earthquakes and Plate Tectonics
Contour Drawing
Cross Section of Our Planet
Quiz on Birth of a Tsunami
Wave Formation
Ocean Wave Simulation
Killer Waves Tsunami Simulator
More Online Interactions on Tsunamis
Tsunami Hit Areas
Tsunamis and Earthquakes
Tsunami : Videos/Animation
NOAA Animation of Indonesian Tsunami
Vocabulary on Birth of a Tsunami
Anatomy: The basic structure.
Boundary : Border.
Crest: Highest point of a wave
Displaced : To move or shift from the usual place or position.
Frequency: The number of times a certain event occurs in a certain period.
Gigantic: Very large.
Richter Scale : A scale used to measure energy released by an earthquake.
Trough: Lowest point of a wave.
Posted by "B" waves will set you free | June 23, 2010, 2:46 pmBELOW IS THE LINK TO ACCESS THE ABOVE INFORMATION FROM THE SOURCE I GOT IT FROM. I include it because at the bottom of the link page, there are several annimations for demonstration purposes.
Shortcut to: http://library.thinkquest.org/04oct/01797/dynamics/birth.html
Posted by "B" waves will set you free | June 23, 2010, 2:53 pmHi B! The thing I thought was morbidly fascinating but sadly meant death for those involved was in the footage of the 2004 tsunami where the ocean had receded to the point where the people including kids had run down to get exposed sea shells and shellfish, and then after a certain amount of time, the water came rushing back to the beach sweeping everyone with it. Had there not been such loss of life and property and had it been a deserted island, it would have been beautiful to watch.
Posted by Joanaroo | June 24, 2010, 6:51 pm