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Bueligion: Breaking Christianity’s Fear Mongering Paradigm
Have you been scared into submission by the fear tactics of the church? Does Satan frighten you? Lucifer? Do you even know what these terms mean in reality (as opposed to religiosity)?
I have conducted etymologies on every word in the Bible that can even remotely be associated with Satan or the devil (as we seem to understand it). I am willing to bet you a dollar to a donut that you are unaware of the first time this term “satan” is used in the Bible and who it is attributed to. Why would I place that bet? Because I have never heard a preacher teach about the subject and the times I taught about it came with an assault from “believers” calling me a liar, even though I can point out precisley where the term is first used and why.
When you realize this one little fact, you must begin to realize that the word means far more than your imagination and the fear mongerers are willing to admit or teach. Nor are you likely to realize that God is in control of Satan (whatever it may mean to you) which is obvious if you ever read Job.
You see, in the Bible, satan is used as an Adversary and in the first usage it is God who sends his angel to be the satan (adversary). The truth is that in Hebrew the word “satan” is not a proper noun, any more than the usage of the word “lucifer” is a proper noun. There is no mystical Lucifer who rebelled against God and any one who has truly studied the wording must understand that the lucifer they are talking about is a man… a king, actually.
Hebrew “Satan” (from Strong’s Concordance)
<07854> satan (saw-tawn’) from 07853; an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) Satan, the arch-enemy of good:–adversary, Satan, withstand.
And God’s anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary <07854> against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him. (Num 22:22)
And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand <07854> thee, because thy way is perverse before me: (Num 22:32)
The point I am making here is that religious “teachers” teach more from a theolgical perspective, but not one from the etymology (orignal meanings) of the words used. In other words, even if one wants to say that the Bible is the “Word of God”, it has been so blatantly muddied that it is man’s theology that rules over honest translation/interpretation.
Check out the following film (although I do not agree with every word in it, it tries to educate people to the abuse and direct fear mongering used and is certainly man-made).
There may be a satan, but it sure as hell isn’t the dude with a pitchfork and horns.
jdlarge08 said
Ray and Lynda, Happy Mothers Day.
It’s nice to see your blog is still high on the Familographer’s “Buehlievability” index.
BuelahMan said
Howdy, Buddy!
Are you Buehliever? (It would take a word smith to “smith” that cool word.)
Hope all is well.
unspy said
Accepting an Angel-satan solves many problems I have with those who take the Bible literally.
You reference Num. 22:22 which tells how an Angel (described as ‘the satan’ or adversary) is dispatched to deal with Balaam the rebellious prophet. However, this is not the first reference to Satan. Job is the oldest book in the Bible so, technically speaking, the reference to Satan we find there is the first cronologiclly.
Num. 22:22 describes how an Angel of God stood in a narrow, walled path before Balaam, so that his donkey fell down beneath him. Job comments how the sufferings which ‘the satan’ brought upon him was God ‘walling up my way that I cannot pass’ (Job 19:8). The connection is clear – and surely indicates that Job’s satan was a satan-Angel as you suggest. This satan-Angel was acting as an adversary to Job just as such an Angel did to Balaam. Job and Balaam have many such similarities – both were prophets, both had genuine difficulty in understanding God’s ways, but they to varying degrees consciously rebelled against what they failed to understand; both thus became angry with God (in the Angel), and were reproved by God.
In that oldest of Hebrew poetry ‘the LORD’ asks ‘the Satan’ where he came from. Here is the Young’s Literal Translation: “And Jehovah saith unto the Adversary, ‘Whence camest thou?’ And the Adversary answereth Jehovah and saith, ‘From going to and fro in the land, and from walking up and down in it.’”
Yhovah (yeh-ho-vaw’) = (the) self-Existent or Eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God — Jehovah, the LORD.
Satan (saw-tawn’)= an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) Satan, the arch-enemy of good — adversary.
Job is a midrash, or figurative tale or mythical story, not intended to be taken literally. Myth doesn’t mean it should be dismissed as untrue, quite the contrary. Myths are the vehicle that truth travels in, often such truth is hidden and requires insight to uncover. Error will alway result when the figurative is taken literally.
Harry Torczyner (author of ‘The Book Of Job’ Kiryat-Sefer, 1981) interprets ‘the Satan’ as being in God’s service, and not in opposition to Him: “The figure and role of the Satan derives from the Persian secret service… We now understand that there are in God’s service, as in that of any earthly king, secret roving officials, who go and come and report to him on the doings of his subjects.”
The references to ‘wandering about on the face of the earth’ have great similarities with the language used to describe the Persian empire’s spies, called “The King’s Eye”- a kind of agent of the King who wandered around picking up information and reporting back to him. But of course, “The King’s Eye” was on the King’s side and not working against him! Satan’s walking / running “to and fro in the earth / land” and reporting back to God about an individual is thus very much taken from the Persian idea of the King’s “evil eye”, “the eye of the King”, a kind of agent provocateur, a secret police-type agent, travelling around the Kingdom and reporting back to the King about suspect individuals.
It also has an evident connection with the Zechariah passages which speaks of the Angels in the time of the exile and restoration from Persia “running to and fro in the earth” on God’s behalf (Zech. 1:10,11; 4:10). The implication of course was that God and His Angels, and not the Persian King and his agents, were the ones really in control of the land. It’s maybe significant that the Septuagint translates “going to and fro” in Job 1:7 with the word -peripatei- and we find the same word in 1 Pet. 5:8 about the adversary of the early Christians ‘going about’ seeking them – a reference to the agents of the Roman and Jewish systems.
Much of the Hebrew Bible was rewritten in Babylon, to bring out relevant issues for the Jewish exiles. This includes the book of Job. It can be understood as an allegory – Job, the suffering servant of the Lord, thus becomes a type of Israel.
In Job 2:5 the satan asks God: “Put forth Thine hand” . The hand of God is a phrase often used concerning what God did through the Angels. God agrees- ” he is in thine hand” (v.6). Thus satan’s hand is God’s hand, which is an Angel. This is proof enough that satan is not in any way against God- they work together.
The “sons of God”, in the context of the book of Job, refer to the Angels (38:7). The sons of God coming before Yahweh suggests a scene in the court of Heaven, similar to that of 2 Chron. 18:19-21, where the Angels appear before Yahweh to discuss the case of Ahab, and then one Angel is empowered by God to carry out his suggestion. Satan going out from the presence of Yahweh, empowered by Him to afflict Job, would correspond with other references to Angels ‘going out’ from God’s presence to execute what had been agreed in the heavenly assembly (Ps. 37:36; 81:5; Zech. 2:3; 5:5; Lk. 22:22; Heb. 1:14). Satan describes himself as going to and fro in the earth, and walking up and down in it (1:7)- using exactly the language of Zech. 1:11 concerning the Angels.
If the satan refers to a righteous Angel, it is likewise easier to understand why all the problems which the satan brought are described as God bringing them (especially as Job may have conceived of God in terms of an Angel). It is also understandable why there is no rebuke of the satan at the end.
Is there a powerful person in the Universe called Satan who is the arch-enemy of God? While most Christians accept this without question, based on this passage in Job there is much room for doubt. It has been said, “If God did not chain up the roaring lion, how soon would he devour us!” Well, on second thought, maybe not. It seem more correct to say, God does both good and evil in the world and he often uses agents, somethimes those agents are men, and sometimes those agents are his angles.
In the end, Job learned just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are God’s ways higher than our ways and His thoughts than our thoughts.
BuelahMan said
Nicely done, Mark.
Have you studied as a Universalist?
You are correct about Job’s chronological reference, but my point was to show where in the current layout they could find the first time the word was seen. It just seems that translators take liberties to make a word mean something, even totally contrary meanings, at times.
Perhaps the Adversary is Evil, but even God makes claim to creating Evil (included with all things). So, it is apparent that He created Evil, as well.
I cannot see how anyone can read Job and NOT come to the conclusion that the Adversary works on God’s behest.
unspy said
Zechariah 3:1–”And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and ha-satan standing at his right hand to resist him.” This reading has since been erroneously interpreted by some to mean Satan, “the Devil”, but such is not the case. Here again we see “ha-satan” as an angel ministering to the desires of God, acting as Chief Prosecutor.
> Have you studied as a Universalist?
No, I have not. I will check it out, and thanks for raising this issue. The ‘Devil’ meme remains an unexamined assumption in much of Christianity, and in most societies and religions. The presence of unexamined assumptions in our lives and hearts, as well as in societies, ought to be a red flag. Why, in this age of apparently fearless examination, eager toppling of paradigms, deconstruction of just about everything, rigorous research, trashing of tradition, brutal testing of assumptions… does the Devil idea remain an unexamined assumption?
I suggest it’s because to reject that tradition of a personal Satan and get down to living out the Biblical position on the Devil demands just too much. It’s hard to accept all negative experience in life as ultimately allowed and even sent by a loving God, it’s humiliating to realize we’re only naive children, whose view of good and evil isn’t fully that of our Father; and it’s the call of a lifetime to recognize that our own personal, natural passions and desires are in fact the great Satan / adversary.
Isaiah 14: 12-14: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.”
Early Christian tradition interpreted the passage as a reference to the moment Satan was thrown from Heaven. This view was popularized by John Milton in his epic “Paradise Lost” and so the term “Lucifer” became another name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian dogma and popular tradition to this day.
First, the passage expressly refers to a “king of Babylon”, a “man” who seemed all-powerful, but who has been brought low. Second, it should be pointed out that the words ‘devil’, ‘satan’ and ‘angel’ never occur in this chapter. This is the only place in Scripture where the word ‘Lucifer’ occurs. Thirdly, why is Lucifer punished for saying, “I will ascend into heaven” (v. 13), if he was already there?
It should be noted that the idea of ‘morning star’ is translated ‘Lucifer’ in the Vulgate [Latin] translation of the Bible made by Jerome. Significantly, he uses ‘Lucifer’ as a description of Christ, as the ‘morning star’ mentioned in Revelation. Indeed, some early Christians took the name ‘Lucifer’ as a ‘Christian name’ in order to identify themselves with Jesus (1). It wasn’t until Origen (circa 200 A.D.) that the term ‘Lucifer’ took on any connotation of ‘Satan’ or a force of evil. ‘Lucifer’ in its strict meaning of ‘bearer of the light’ actually was applied in a positive sense to Christian communities, e.g. the followers of Lucifer of Cagliari were called ‘Luciferians’. As an aside, it’s worth pointing out that they were one of the groups who insisted that the devil was not a personal being and held to the original Biblical picture of sin and the devil being one and the same.
Isaiah 14 is a proverb (parable) against the king of Babylon, the star represents the king’s royal majesty. Daniel chapter 4 explains how Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon, proudly surveyed the great kingdom he had built up, thinking that he had conquered other nations in his own strength, rather than recognizing that God had given him success. “Thy greatness (pride) is grown, and reacheth unto heaven” (v.22). Because of this the king was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles feathers, and his nails like birds claws (v. 33). This sudden humbling of one of the world’s most powerful men to a deranged lunatic was such a dramatic event as to call for the parable about the falling of the morning star from heaven to earth. Stars are symbolic of powerful people, e.g. Genesis 37: 9; Isaiah 13:10 (concerning the leaders of Babylon); Ezekiel 32: 7 (concerning the leaders of Egypt); Daniel 8:10, cp. v. 24. Ascending to heaven and falling from heaven are Biblical idioms often used for increasing in pride and being humbled respectively – see Job 20: 6; Jeremiah 51:53 ( about Babylon); we even find this in the New Testament, Matthew 11:23 (about Capernaum): “Thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell”(the grave).
There’s a good reason why the King of Babylon is described as “the morning star”, or Venus. The Babylonians believed that their king was the child of their gods Bel and Ishtar, both of whom were associated with the planets- they thought that their King was the planet Venus.
In conclusion, it was not until post-Biblical times that Lucifer was associated with Satan, or that Satan was thought to have been cast out of heaven before the creation of Adam and Eve, or that Satan had some connection with Adam and Eve. Why they may be mainstream Christian memes, they were not shared by the Hebrews who wrote the Bible.
BuelahMan said
Correct, again.
It is my opinion that the Church has this very crucial point all wrong, but I also believe that many do this for control and manipulation (even if not intentional, it has become second nature to those who end up as “leadership” in many denominations.
It has always amazed me how God can be the same “yesterday, today and tomorrow but the Hebrews had very different ideas about what these passages mean. Christians have brain washed themselves over time into believing contrary thought to what those they read about thought.
The Jews had no endless hell of torment, but with Christ’s Father, it is taught with abandon. Amazing how much He is different from yesterday.
Not only is the story about Lucifer NOT about any fallen angel from heaven, but God says, Himself, that He created evil. These two contrary issues amaze me, because most Christians have a hard time admitting God created evil, but in the next breath will say he created everything.
Huh?
Donald DeWayne Woods said
Religion is the Bane of Man
The brain it seems to seize,
It is a seeming pestilence
A vile, corrupt disease.
It bores its way into the mind,
With vengeance to deplore,
It writhes and squirms incessantly,
And offers little more…
Than just a way to run from life,
And love the wrathful men..
Of such a vengeful arbiter
As may have ever been.
Christianity is a perversion of pure morality, that constitutes the symbolic anti-christ….Thomas Jefferson!
There is little difference between organized religions and organized crime. They’re both running scams. Exploiting the irrational passions of the gullible fools in order to filch power and wealth unto the elites and priests!
Religions are incompatible with higher education, business and good government!
Religions are the not so noble lie~ Plato…lol
The master/slave relationship!
America’s manifest destiny doctrine states, the sheeple can rape, steal, kill, and justify anything they feel, by useing the jesus myth as a shield for all their wicked ass desires!!!
There are no gods, devils, heavens or hells, only man made biblical fears and superstitutions that harden hearts and enslaves minds…
This has been a public service message from the smoky mountain seventh son walking incognito amongst the gullible fools as the King of the Southern Counterfeiters, biography of achievements listed in marquis who’s who in the midwest and american editions or read history professor Stephen Mihm’s book, “A nation of counterfeiters, con men and capitalists who built america from the civil war to the modern era”…just another crazy old chattanooga street kid, 68 years and holding up here in Boss Hogg Knoxville…heh heh
G said
You have an interest in religion? Beyond just skepticism? Hmm, you might be interested in a couple of articles I posted; I’ve got the whole text of the Tao Te Jing and I wrote an essay on what religion is REALLY about when it’s not subverted to secondary / selfish causes like power/vanity/consolation.
The essay I refer to in it is THE definitive explication of the paradox inherent in human nature and of the nature and necessity of a real religious quest:
http://thedailyg.wordpress.com/the-hard-kernel-of-religion-and-spirituality/
I wrote this in part because I despair of the moral vacuum left by smart cynics who wrongly believe that their scientific positivism or spiritually groundless humanism will be enough to steer humanity towards its best possible outcome. We need a ‘why’ to properly motivate and guide us, and that ‘why’ must be something transcendental, not something relativistic, arbitrary, selfish or paltry, such as living longer and buying faster cars.
G said
Whoops, I think I meant ‘Tao Te Ching’ – flippin’ Pinyin is confusing…
BuelahMan said
G,
With your permission, I have a post cued for this Sunday that will illuminate your essay.
G said
You want to quote from it, you mean? I’ve no problem with that.
Joanaroo said
All great comments and post, Buelah Man! My question is though, how do you smitten your ass?!!
BuelahMan said
LOL
Did I write that somewhere?
truth2power said
Jason said
Hey whats the movie you’re referencing?
BuelahMan said
Jason,
Good catch. Apparently the link was destroyed and I found another site with it hosted. Updated!
Thanks.
Mad Angel is on FB said
WHAT IS IT ABOUT RELIGION….BLIND FAITH IN AN ESOTERIC DOGMA?
(IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED BY A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION– DON’T BOTHER TO READ THIS)
I SAW THIS HEADLINE…”THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A ‘LITTLE SHARIA’ ”
You know….actually if it could be ‘restricted’ to just “a little”…. the peaceful, loving, community supportive aspect that they talk about – when they’re trying to convert you-
it wouldn’t be so different than what Christianity, Judaism and Catholicism claim as well….
But the truth that is avoided in all of these dogmas, are the punitive aspects. The RULES that govern your life after giving up your personal freedom- along any logical and inquisitive thought- that might cause you to question or object to ‘what is written in a book’ as ‘gospel’ to be obeyed- or else….
and indeed….Sharia’s PUNITIVE policies are
(1) affect you IN THIS LIFE- ( while any rewards are in the ‘next’ )
and
(2) even gives numerous reasons to end your life- or make you wish you dead…
So…what to do…..Ah!….try to gain “favor” according to the part of the book they don’t talk about….and become a zealot and even a radical?
An ex-Muslim– an American woman– in America– who “fell in love” and converted to marry a Muslim, said of the religion and the daily life of a Muslim woman as demeaning and humiliating….. and due to the prayer schedule, there wasn’t time to think of anything else…..she called it “a non-thinking religion”…..a worst case of blind faith……
Another BAD case of zealotry radicalism are some factions of Judaism…. There are some Jewish Zealots that are so radical they preach and extol the coming of the end of the world…”IT’S ORDAINED BY G_D……and the eradication of all others (and it even goes as far as tracing bloodlines ) even if it means their own destruction towards that end.
Religion was created by a few to gain control over the many….going all the way back to the Sumerians every story in all religious texts is the same as the Sumerian historical accounts…except to the Sumerians it was merely recording history. They knew how many planets were in our solar system, and their placement….even their color, 6000 years ago….consider this…it’s genealogically impossible to get 6.6 billion people (of distinctly different types) from just 2
Priests ( those appointed as supervisors over the workers) that were created by the Sumerian gods-
” those who from the heavens to earth came” stayed in charge when the gods left with promise to return,
and viola’…you have religion (and a ready army)
Religious texts tells us that god is in the heavens and our reward for following the rules laid out in a book written by men ( and revised and condensed and censored by groups of men to suit their purposes) is the ‘glory of heaven’….and of course the “punishment” for not OBEYING what the ‘word of god’ (according to that book) is everlasting hell!!….and yet no one really knows what that is either
I feel that if a people could open their minds for even a moment and consider that it could be true…that we were created by advanced beings ( much as our current scientists are literally creating and manipulating life genetically ) everything becomes so simple and logical…an AHA moment if you will…. then people could shed their stereotypes, and realize that all humans are in this together and we either fall or thrive- together
I still become incredulous when I read what’s in the bible…… and learning how what wasn’t literally written in stone, (the Sumerian clay tablets) has been changed over time hasn’t helped- especially the purpose for those changes.
It all has me going back through history to learn what led up to those types of revisions and censorship….as well as how there’s come to be so many ‘splinter’ “religions” and cults….and some of them are downright frightening.
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Eamon said
While there are some interesting points raised, both in the article and comments, it seems fitting to begin such a discussion with some basic questions:
Do people have immortal souls? If not, this discussion is meaningless and we should all gratify our sensual appetite to the maximum or, if we are supremely logical, we should blow our brains out: life means nothing and goes nowhere. Granting, however, that we do have immortal souls, do we possess free will? If not, this discussion is meaningless and none of us is responsible for anything — which means we cannot change our behavior, it is completely irrational to complain about the deeds of the Money Master Mafia, etc. If we do possess free will, is it reasonable to deduce that our actions — whether good, bad, or indifferent — produce results, i.e., have consequences? Granting that our actions do, in fact, have consequences — something we all experience every single day — are said consequences limited to the brief span of our earthly life, or is it plausible that what we do in time echoes in eternity, so to speak? FWIW, these matters can be discussed rather thoroughly without any reference to a specific religion or its particular tenets; i.e., we can know the answers to these (and other) important questions by the light of reason alone.
If there is no justice in eternity (a.k.a. hell), and so many of the Lloyd Blankfeins (or Rothschilds) of the world die without ever receiving their just deserts for their evil deeds, all of existence is a meaningless farce and we should all act like Blankfein et alii — or find the nearest handgun and swallow a bullet. For those who believe in reincarnation, what else is that but a different application of the same principles of justice, i.e., that what we do in time echoes in eternity?
BuelahMan said
Do people have immortal souls? If not, this discussion is meaningless and we should all gratify our sensual appetite to the maximum or, if we are supremely logical, we should blow our brains out: life means nothing and goes nowhere.
I disagree with you. There are plenty of reasons to be moral… to care and treat others with love and respect, if there is no immortal soul.
Granting, however, that we do have immortal souls, do we possess free will? If not, this discussion is meaningless and none of us is responsible for anything — which means we cannot change our behavior, it is completely irrational to complain about the deeds of the Money Master Mafia, etc.
What? None of us are responsible for anything?
Perhaps you need to define for us what “free will” is, in your estimation. Are you saying that you can thwart the will of God?
Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary states, “”free will n. freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention.”
If you are suggesting that free will is simply the ability for humans to make choices, then I must say that you are way wrong. There are no choices that we make that aren’t influenced by something. Even salvation (as defined by most Churchianity) is not a choice a person makes on their own (you would have to delete several portions of the Bible to make that statement true).
If there is no justice in eternity (a.k.a. hell), and so many of the Lloyd Blankfeins (or Rothschilds) of the world die without ever receiving their just deserts for their evil deeds, all of existence is a meaningless farce and we should all act like Blankfein et alii — or find the nearest handgun and swallow a bullet.
Or maybe one needs to try to understand that there are evils (even the people or entities you list above) in this world that are here for a purpose.
BTW: what is your definition of “immortal soul” and where do you get it?
Eamon said
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I understand that there is a purpose to all creatures, however evil or sinful some may appear to be or even actually be. What is more, we cannot know how it will turn out with those who, at present, seem most despicable or depraved. As for thwarting the will of God, all finite creatures working together to that express purpose could not alter His will one iota. That does not mean, however, that we are not free to either cooperate with or struggle against the Divine will. He presents us with a choice: life or death, light or darkness, joy or misery.
As a related aside, there is no “us” completely on our own; every breath we breathe, every movement of our minds or bodies, whether blasphemous or sublime or anywhere in between, is enabled by the only real Source of power. He is the First Mover, unmoved yet enabling all motion; the First Cause that is without cause; the one necessary, supreme Being. The Lloyd Blankfeins of the world do not so much as breathe or urinate, much less steal trillions of dollars without some kind of assistance from God; no creature exists or functions without the help of the Creator.
The classic definition of a soul is “a principle of life.” All living things — plants, animals, and people — have a soul, strictly speaking: a spiritual substance that animates the corporeal substance. Death occurs when the two are separated. If plants, for example, did not have some level of vital activity, we would have no more motivation to eat them than we have reason to eat rocks. Vegetable souls and the irrational souls of animals cease to exist when the soul is separated from the body; not so with the rational souls of men. In other words, human souls are spiritual substances endowed with intellect and will that cannot be destroyed, except by the One who created them. A body can be broken down into its constituent parts; it can and does decompose. A rational soul cannot and is, for that reason, immortal. I’d be happy to go into that further, if you are so inclined.
As for other possible motivations to do what is right, you are correct and I composed my initial thoughts too hastily. I will gladly discuss the motives to do good even if our life did not extend into eternity, although none of them provides sufficient motivation on a practical level, at least not within the present order of things (i.e., as human nature now exists). However, the dinner hour approaches and I must see what poor excuse for vittles I can scrounge up around this joint…
As always, it is a delight to speak with you.
BuelahMan said
Howdy,
I cannot help but believe that God’s will (if truly the Creator, and the One from whom all gets their life) is the salvation of all men, that no one can come against or thwart Him. He will have all men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. I don’t know the timeline, but I believe this.
no creature exists or functions without the help of the Creator.
Correct. Even the evil ones work according to his will. He created evil (so, there must be some purpose for it).
The classic definition of a soul is “a principle of life.”
What is an “immortal principle of life”?
I view the “soul” as the combination of the body and spirit. When Adam was created, he was imparted with a “living soul”, not an immortal soul. The soul, to me, are our feelings and senses. When the body dies, the soul does as well, but the spirit does not.
But back to the will part, I am a fan of Jesus’ words. I would throw away the Old testament, except there things to learn from it. The Torah is but death (according to Paul). However, to me, one can try to understand what Jesus was saying/meant and be far safer than any other author or speaker anywhere in the Bible.
Jesus, Himself, said that he did not come to do His own will, but the will of the father. Unfortunately, most of us (including me) are unable to fully grasp that. He even said He desired that the father’s will be done, not his, and He died shortly thereafter. He even instructed His followers to pray that God’s will be done (and this is what I do). Sometimes, I admit, I ask to understand what that will might mean or what it is supposed to teach me.
I enjoy this conversation. Thanks for contributing.