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911: Who, What, Why, and How???

What they expect us to believe:

Paul Craig Roberts tells us:

One is that according to the official story, a handful of Arabs, mainly Saudi Arabians, operating independently of any government and competent intelligence service, men without James Bond and V for Vendetta capabilities, outwitted not only the CIA, FBI, and National Security Agency, but all 16 US intelligence agencies, along with all security agencies of America’s NATO allies and Israel’s Mossad. Not only did the entire intelligence forces of the Western world fail, but on the morning of the attack the entire apparatus of the National Security State simultaneously failed. Airport security failed four times in one hour. NORAD failed. Air Traffic Control failed. The US Air Force failed. The National Security Council failed. Dick Cheney failed. Absolutely nothing worked. The world’s only superpower was helpless at the humiliating mercy of a few undistinguished Arabs.

It is hard to image a more far-fetched story–except for the second thing you need to know: The humiliating failure of US National Security did not result in immediate demands from the President of the United States, from Congress, from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and from the media for an investigation of how such improbable total failure could have occurred. No one was held accountable for the greatest failure of national security in world history. Instead, the White House dragged its feet for a year resisting any investigation until the persistent demands from 9/11 families for accountability forced President George W. Bush to appoint a political commission, devoid of any experts, to hold a pretend investigation.

Who REALLY did it:

Even the earliest media reports knew, but have been removed since:

Even the Devil, himself, (plus the devil’s relatives) was complicit.

Why?

Several simultaneous reasons

Trauma-based Mind-control

John Friend explains that one purpose is to gain control of the world’s minds by inflicting trauma on a mass scale, in order to bring us around to supporting the Empire’s goals (also know as Zionism’s goals):

There is no doubt that 9/11 was a trauma-based mind control operation on a societal scale. Think about it: (fake) images of “hijacked” airliners full of innocent Americans smashing into the iconic World Trade Center towers in New York City were shown repeatedly on television, over and over again, to a traumatized public. Media personalities, politicians, and others provided emotional (scripted) commentary of the day’s events, immediately identifying the culprits patsies: Osama bin Laden, Muslim extremists, and that evil boogey-man,”al-Qaeda”. World Trade Center “victims” were shown jumping out of the buildings due to the fires, all shown on television to a terrified and vulnerable audience. “Victim” family members stepped forward to explain the alleged phone calls made by various “victims” on the hijacked airliners. 9/11 was a day full of trauma, both physical and psychological. We know individuals and societies are more easily controlled and manipulated when they are in a traumatized state.

Believe it or not, the events of 9/11 appear to have been a completely scripted and staged psychological operation, involving fake videos, manufactured “victims”, projected images, fabricated evidence, and scripted witnesses, media personalities, and “actors”…

9/11 was a PSYOP not only on the American public, but the entire world.  Israel and international Jewry, along with their goyim puppets in the Jew-run United States government, perpetrated this massive fraud against the world 11 years ago today in order to demonize Islam, launch the fraudulent “Global War on Terror” against Israel’s Muslim enemies in the Middle East, and initiate their Zionist-run police state tyranny in the United States and other Western countries.  It is past time for the American public to wake up from this trauma-based mind control operation and recognize that Israel was behind 9/11, not Osama bin Laden and “Muslim extremists”.  Anyone saying anything to the contrary is working for the enemy, knowingly or unknowingly. All politicians and media personalities covering up this massive fraud, which has led to the murder and destruction of millions around the world, is a traitor. Those refusing to recognize 9/11 for what is really was and remains are as guilty as the Jews who planned, executed, and benefitted from it, period.

Again, Mr Roberts clues us in to at least one aspect of “why”:

The circumstantial evidence is that these were orchestrated events designed to keep fear alive, to create new intrusive powers for a new over-arching federal policy agency, to accustom US citizens to intrusive searches and a police force to conducting them, and to sell expensive porno-scanners and now more advanced devices to the Transportation Safety Administration. Apparently, this expensive collection of high-tech gadgetry is insufficient to protect us from terrorists, and in August 2012 the Department of Homeland Security put in an order for 750 million rounds of ammunition, enough to shoot every person in the US 2.5 times.

Everything Happening Now Was Planned Before 911

How???

Here is where I don’t have the total answer and where psyops has done its best to keep truth seekers at each others throats and provides a distraction from examining the actual culprits. Obviously, if it took airplanes to bring down the two skyscrapers, what explains the third building that collapsed at free-fall speed? Larry Silverstein said to “pull it” (who gave him the power to make that directive???). Any way you look at WTC7, it was obviously a controlled demolition.

So, if one building was rigged for demolition that day, ALL buildings were rigged for demolition that day.

Does it matter if it was explosives, nano-thermite/thermate, nukes or some other exotic means (or some combination of them all)? Maybe to a certain extent. But, it is clear that they were brought down with some sort of energy other than fire or plane strikes. This, in and of itself should cause Americans to FORCE a real, unbiased, government-free investigation.

One can spend countless hours looking at videos and reports made that suggest that no planes were used and were added to videos/feeds (John Friend has a post up describing that theory).

Many of us have, in fact, spent hundreds of hours looking into this, what I call the “Nut-cuttin’ issue” of our day. Kenny at Kenny’s Sideshow puts it this way:

Some of us over the last 11 years have read what seems like a million words, watched hundreds of videos, studied thousands of images, posted and re-posted things we felt were relevant, made comments all over the internet, gained friends and allies, made enemies, got ridiculed and called names, evolved in our thinking, picked flyspecks out of pepper, waded through the muck of disinformation, debated and argued the hows, watched as the trolls and paid provocateurs came around to infiltrate the narrative, became frustrated, exhilarated, encouraged and discouraged and never once thought of giving up. We never made a nickel out of it. Our schooling didn’t get us a degree. We did it because we had to. We had no choice. When we were told ‘you are with us or you are against us,’ we chose the against side. It was the side of right, not might.  We may not be the brightest light bulb around but we haven’t burnt out yet. We continue just because someone has to and we aren’t afraid.

I have put up video after video of experts that question virtually everything about that day from a technical aspect (altho they don’t go into “who” did it, which was Israel with a little help from their neo-con, Zionist, …many dual citizens… cabal). All one really has to do is compare known building demolitions to what happened on the fateful day, just as Greg Bacon has done at Goon Squad (another excellent source for studying this subject)

Is it necessary to know the whole truth at this point? I wish. But, as Les Visible puts it, it is more important to know the extent of the lies:

Heretic Productions present; Les Visible’s, 9/11 Is the LitmusTest
Video Sequence by: Arbogast99; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMAFvKJvwMc

Smoking Mirrors at: http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/2008/02/911-is-litmus-test.html

There is one thing that defines everyone over the course of these early years of this new century. That thing is the 9/11 attack. Everyone in government and every field of endeavor the world over is defined by their position on this event. It is not necessary to know the truth. It is only necessary to know the extent of the lies in order to define any leader in any position anywhere in the world. By what they have said and by what they have not said, one can accurately judge who is an enemy of the people’s of the world. One can accurately determine who is a tool of the psychopaths or one of them.

NOTE:

I understand that many of the videos I have added or linked to are “old hat” to many regulars. But, it is important for any new folks to this subject to understand what they are really dealing with. If interested, please check out my extensive coverage of 911 by seeing my 911 Archives.

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Waterboarding For Dumbasses Like Conservative09

Of course I mean REAL waterboarding, not the kind you get your daughter to perform on you with a water pistol. From The TimesOnline:

Waterboarding provides method of torture without a trace

Ben Macintyre

Cheap, simple, and horribly effective, waterboarding dates back at least to the Spanish Inquisition as a way of extracting information by instilling extreme fear and pain without leaving visible marks.

The torture has come by many names — “tormenta de toca” to the Spanish Inquisitors, “showering” in 19th-century prisons, and “water cure” in the 20th century — and has taken many forms.

The technique, however, has hardly varied in the past 500 years. Its intention is to simulate slow drowning and terrify the victim into a confession.

In most instances, water is poured over the face and into the breathing passages, usually on to a cloth or plastic wrapping, causing the victim to feel that they are on the point of suffocation and death.

Torturers at the time of the Spanish Inquisition, in search of heretics, were particularly keen on using the toca — referring to the cloth placed over the victim’s mouth — with its echoes of Christian baptism.

Agents of the Dutch East India Company used a variation of waterboarding during the Amboyna Massacre of 1623 when twenty people, including ten employed by the British East India Company, were tortured and murdered.

In that case the torturers “poured the water softly upon his head until the cloth was full, up to the mouth and nostrils, and somewhat higher, so that he could not draw breath but he must suck in all the water”. The case prompted outrage in Britain.

Many of the world’s nastiest regimes have resorted to waterboarding, including the Gestapo and Kempeitai (the Japanese military police) during the Second World War, the Khmer Rouge, and the Pinochet regime, where the method was known, with grim euphemism, as “Asian torture”.

One waterboard used under Pol Pot, a flat board on which the victim was strapped, remains on display at the genocide museum in Cambodia. But the use of waterboarding is by no means restricted to rogue regimes.

The practice was technically illegal during the Vietnam War, but in 1968 The Washington Post ran a photograph of an American soldier taking part in the waterboarding of a captured Vietcong fighter, and described the technique as “fairly common”. The image led to a military investigation and the soldier was court-martialled and dismissed.

The technique of “slow motion drowning” inflicts intense mental and physical suffering, and can cause severe long-term damage to the lungs and brain, but it leaves no obvious physical marks on the body. As well as being deniable, this form of torture may be inflicted repeatedly.

There is also no doubt that waterboarding works, to the extent that it producing confessions. Whether the information extracted is of any value is more doubtful. A person on the point of drowning may tell the truth, or simply what he thinks the torturer wants to hear to stop the ordeal.

Lab Rat- Waterboarding

And no, I ain’t talking about having your friends come over with cookies and pouring water over your face (without the rag and tying oneself to an inclined board). Conservative09 thinks that by allowing his 5 year old daughter to pour water on his face, he has experienced water boarding…Clueless chump.

The Lab Rat was prepped… training in Yoga and was ready to go 15 seconds. But the reality is that this IS torture (no matter what the man in the hood or any fool like Conservative09 says).

What these people don’t seem to understand is that torture can be nothing more than a mind game. It does not have to be physical pain or bringing blood, etc. But, in this case, I believe that it is, in fact, torture. Any rational person without a protectorate plan for the torturers would have to agree.

Let me ask a simple question regarding torture: If a person showed you a movie of your torturer (or anyone else for that matter) inflicting pain or killing your 5 year old daughter, would that be torture? It didn’t bring blood or pain to you, so it can’t be torture, right?

“Invoking an Existing Fear Of Drowning” is torture, you idiots, whether or not it “hurts”.

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Conservative09 Says Mancow Is A Wuss And That Matthew Alexander Is An Idiot

The faux conservative who spouted off about having his waterboarding done at home (let me guess, your 5 year old poured the water) and has argued against torture, all-the-while regurgitating the right wing talking points as if they were true, must come to Jesus on the latest in a string of events that prove what a retarded asshole he is.

Here ya go, Conservative09. The truth of the subject, straight from the horse’s mouth. This should render yourself with zero credibility, but I see that you have no scruples or honor (just like all right-wing, lying scumbags), so I will guess that you still consider your view that waterboarding is not torture is the correct one (I suppose as long as Dickhead Cheney says it, you will be forced to agree).

You (and all those like you) are idiots.

Dick Cheney says that torturing detainees has saved American lives. That claim is patently false. Cheney’s torture policy was directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds if not thousands of American servicemen and women.

Matthew Alexander was the senior military interrogator for the task force that tracked down Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq and, at the time, a higher priority target than Osama bin Laden. Mr. Alexander has personally conducted hundreds of interrogations and supervised over a thousand of them.

“Torture does not save lives. Torture costs us lives,” Mr. Alexander said in an exclusive interview at Brave New Studios. “And the reason why is that our enemies use it, number one, as a recruiting tool…These same foreign fighters who came to Iraq to fight because of torture and abuse….literally cost us hundreds if not thousands of American lives.”

Sound off at http://bravenewfoundation.org

Morphing In To The Last Administration

Jonathon Turley told it like it is last night on Rachel’s Show. Although, I believe the morph happened long ago… the more days this man spends in the Whitehouse, the more it resembles the last administration.

h/t AfterDowningStreet (for some reason this video won’t play, so click the link)

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1 Waterboard, 1 Cheney, 1 Hour = Admittance To ANY Crime

Conservative09 keeps coming back for more and to argue that his “water boarding” that he received by his friends at his home was not torture. That all the people in SERE, the CIA and whatever reporters who have actually taken the water boarding technique have not been tortured. Basically, it is like a refreshing dip in the pool.

The dude is so wrong on so many levels , but has apparently convinced himself that what he “experienced” was no big deal and that the water boarding that has been done to the “terrorists” in our charge is not torture. Somehow there is this vast disconnect that he has with reality if he believes what happened to him is the same thing that happened to our prisoners.

My argument is that asking your friends and trusted companions to water board you is not the same thing as has been done to the prisoners in our and the secret jails we used for torture. That he didn’t experience weeks or months of fear and stress positions and bug boxes and threats to rape their wife and whatever horrible tactics are used on the REAL prisoners before he wet his head.

Sorry, but it takes a total sycophantic idiot to not get it. And Conservative09 certainly don’t get it. No more than Bush, Cheney, Yoo, Bybee, Pelosi or anyone who knew about the practice gets it.

But I asked him to allow me (or better yet, some people that I know) to grab his ass and do the water baording and I gauranteed him he would sing his heart out, begging to stop the real torture.

So, when I watched this at Dandelion Salad, I knew I had to post it for Con’s own education purposes.

This clip is from a guy who experienced the SERE water baording and his opinion is quite different than Con’s. I wonder if Con would argue with this man over the water boarding issue?

B’Man’s Sabbath Watch: Torturing Church Goers

I know that I felt tortured during more than one sermon… but I digress.

You have probably heard about the Pew Center Survey that showed that Christians don’t have much of a problem with torturing other people. The more often you go, the more likely for you to endorse it.

See the interactive results of the poll here. The survey asked specifically:

“Do you think the use of torture against suspected terrorists in order to gain important information can often be justified, sometimes be justified, rarely be justified, or never be justified?”

Roughly half of all respondents — 49 percent — said it is often or sometimes justified. A quarter said it never is.

From the CNN article:

The more often Americans go to church, the more likely they are to support the torture of suspected terrorists, according to a new survey.

More than half of people who attend services at least once a week — 54 percent — said the use of torture against suspected terrorists is “often” or “sometimes” justified. Only 42 percent of people who “seldom or never” go to services agreed, according to the analysis released Wednesday by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.

White evangelical Protestants were the religious group most likely to say torture is often or sometimes justified — more than six in 10 supported it. People unaffiliated with any religious organization were least likely to back it. Only four in 10 of them did.

The analysis is based on a Pew Research Center survey of 742 American adults conducted April 14-21. It did not include analysis of groups other than white evangelicals, white non-Hispanic Catholics, white mainline Protestants and the religiously unaffiliated, because the sample size was too small.

Yep, and its the whities, by and large. Imagine that. More white Christians endorse torture than others. Only one in eight “Evangelicals” (you know, the ones who are REALLY worried about your soul) would be against it. This explains so very much when it comes to your inactivity and nonchalance of what is and has always been known as atrocious torture. I don’t know if Con09 is a Christian, but I would be almost willing to bet he is.

Gimme that Olde Tyme Religion, eh?

You sickening hypocrites wouldn’t know Jesus Christ if He slapped the Holy Fuck out of you.

Conservative09 (The Fake Conservative) Has Lost His Mind

You may have remembered the dude calling himself Conservative09 who rears his head every now and again. Well, I tried to reach out and discuss something with the guy, especially about torture and it led to various posts at his place and comments here where he was challenged (I guess) to look into water boarding and to determine if it was torture and thus, war crimes.

He sent me this today in an email (with his letter to a newspaper attached: read it at his blog, if you like) and either this dude has totally succumbed to some mental deficiency or he is “getting my goat“. For I simply cannot believe that any rational person could write such idiocy and expect any serious consideration.

By the way, I had the chance to be waterboarded.  I could say it isn’t torture after that experience, and I will.  I coughed a lot, but it felt like coming up for air after wrestling with someone under water.  Hell, I did it at home.  That is how available it is.  Sure, it isn’t exactly the same thing, but it’s close, for now.  I did not use the cloth or plastic wrap; I don’t understand why it is even there.  I would think pouring water directly onto the face is worse, right? I know how hard it is to believe someone else on a political issue until you’ve seen what they’ve seen, and in this situation it’s hard unless you’ve experienced what the other person has experienced.  If you do get the chance to be waterboarded under controlled conditions, go for it.  Seriously.

I replied and asked him if he actually wrote that and said…

Because if you did, you are a mindless idiot.

It MUST be a joke or something, but it shows you have no idea of the brevity of torture.

Do you seriously believe that you experienced “water boarding” in your experiment? Will you say or imagine any sort of crazy assed bullshit to defend something? Or are you really an insane asshole who has evaded mental help who’s family and neighbors are in danger?

Do you think anyone, even a person who has actually conducted real water boarding (or even Dick Cheney, himself) would say what you did to yourself, at home, was water boarding?

When finished, did you have a glass of wine and slice of cheese?

You imbecile: Let me explain something. IF you were ever actually a prisoner who had experienced whatever goes on in interragation and harsh treatment via stress positions, cold and 11 sleepless nights (who knows what)… and you were the “ticking timebomb” person being water boarded, there is not a chance in hell you would say that what you “did at home” (God, I cannot believe that someone could actually write such shit) would be remotely the same as water boarding. Incredible naivety and stupidity.

I am seriously amazed that you sent this to me, if this is serious.

I can’t wait to post about this.

(LOL: you fucking nutcase)

A little blunt, maybe, but if this is the mindset of “conservatism”, then the wasting away of that fake movement is obviously understood by this interaction. I am incredulous that anyone has the audacity to pen such words. It cannot be real.

What do you think?

Richard Noggin’ Saturday: America’s Own Torture Doctors- Bruce Jessen and Jim Mitchell

Jonathon Turley posts about how lucrative it is in the Torture Business for the “Doctors” involved.

I mean, shit: why would anyone ever want a regular physician’s practice when you can make money like this and still get your rocks off as people are tortured before your very eyes? Think about it: no insurance to deal with, all your paperwork is handled by the Government, surely pretty decent hours and only the occasional death to deal with.

Winner all around, right?

According to ABCNews, either Jessen or Mitchell were previously involved in interrogations and had simply been used in the training of pilots to prepare them for capture and interrogation. They were reportedly paid $1000 a day to lend their endorsement to the torture program — that comes to a rate of roughly $360,000 a year as torture consultants, not bad wages in the world torture market.

Debating Torture: There Is NO Debate

Keith Olbermann is assuredly becoming a Democratic mouthpiece with every new show. But let us give credit where credit is due:

There simply is NO debate that waterboarding is torture. Anyone who thinks it is or feels like they have a debatable argument for its usage is ignorant to history and the rule of law.

Maybe this little video may show you how WRONG you are (Am I the only one who thinks Peggy Noonan is a smarmy asshole without clue?)

h/t AfterDowningStreet

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“If He Is A Decent and Honorable Person, He Will Resign”

Said Senator Patrick Leahy in regards to Judge Bybee’s involvement with American torture. h/t Jonathon Turley

Now, I don’t know about you, but the fact that Leahy even questions whether or not Bybee is a “decent and honorable” person, in light of the amazingly callous, even evil, memos protecting and lying about torture, tells me that Sen Leahy is no judge of decency or honor.

The political correctness and the two party protectionism MUST stop.

But will it?

Yeah, on Mars, maybe:

In the meantime, former Judiciary Chairman Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) rejected calls for the impeachment and said that Bybee was “one of the most honorable people you’ll ever meet.” Well, as long as you do not meet him in a CIA interrogation room or near a waterboard.

I touched on this at Stop The US Empire and my old “friend” conservative09 dropped in to explain away his talking point regurgitation of War Criminality and his protectionism (apologetics) for George W Bush’s administration (especially the washing away of Yoo’s memos, as if they are unimportant or irrelevant).

I simply cannot grasp the separation of morals and decency from the “right” and their hypocritical defense of all things immoral and evil. It is truly amazing that people can protect and defend these actions and claim to be decent, moral, law abiding or a Constitutionalists.

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